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- July 26 2008 : 10:55a
| D144...
You seem pretty knowledgeable on the bedliner market. Did you see where Graco has an anti-trust lawsuit pending for having a monopoly on the equipment market?
http://www.polyurea.com/npps/story.cfm?nppage=59 | |
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- July 28 2008 : 7:13a
| No had not. Good info.
That proves the Value add of Bedliners Like SuperLiner. Teh Manufacture only sells you the product. You purchase all of you equipment from the local Homedepot or Lowes. Several of have had discusions about how much other Bedliner brands have to charge for there propriatary equipment. some of them are insane. $20 -30K. | |
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- July 29 2008 : 9:19a
| well from what I understand Infinity Conversions is not like that.. I think they broke off from the parent company of super liner and just buy the spraying materials from them now.. and have more control over what they can and cant do.. especially when it comes to advertising.. but I could of misunderstood..
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- July 29 2008 : 9:50a
| | Infinity was a self contained intity even before the Merger with Superliner Coorporate. The decision to merge the two companies was a strategic one. SuperLiner Coorporate needed a training facility and Infinity needed was already under contract to provide the services for them. It was a natural progression of growth to merge the two companies. The seperation was due to the two companies long term growth goals being totaly different. | |
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- August 20 2008 : 9:02a
| I read some of the information on the bedlinertruth site. Some of the information is correct and some of it is not necessarily true. If you are not somewhat familiar with the industry, you may have a tendency to want to believe everything you read on that site. For example, George uses a nylon cup brush to sand trucks. Those brushes are convenient and easy to use, but they do not produce a very good sanding "profile". Without a good profile, you will not get good adhesion. A better method to sand (trucks) is to use a 36E grit pad on a sander. It produces a much better profile and an adhesion promoter will not be necessary for many bedliner brands. That isn't to say that adhesion promoters are bad, they are good, but they are not always necessary especially for truck beds.
Speedliner and Superliner are solvent based polyureas. One reason why they need an adhesion promoter is because polyurea alone does not have very good adhesion properties. Polyurethane has significantly better adhesion properties. Speedliner contains a solvent called ethyl acetate (EA). EA is extremely dangerous and certainly is not environmentally friendly. Speedliner dealers better hope that OSHA, the local fire dept., or the EPA don't show up at their shops. I'm guessing that most dealers do not have proper spray booths. | |
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- August 20 2008 : 9:29a
| Grumpy you are correct in all your info.
As for the Speedliner HAZMAT issue. That item may be why the propriater of SpeedLiner did change the products chemical signature when developing the new product line (SuperLiner). Yes the wheels do make thing faster but not better. We have always used a 60 grit sand paper on a air sander. And yes the adhesion promoter is esential to the Superliner application. the product is not anywere near as agressive as some of the other lines. The benefit to that lies in the abilty to use single stage paint colors to color match the liner to the truck, better and longer lasting UV stability, better elongation properties, and less cost to the dealer for setup and clean up ( no wire tape,no expensive propriatary equipment purchases, repairs can be made to the application with no side effectss or sacrificing apperance.). The down side is the cure time for the product. it takes 72 hours to totaly cure out. mutch like automotive paint. | |
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- August 24 2008 : 3:43p
| So WHAT is the best ???
Like to have my bronc sprayed on the inside, read no stinky poopy smells please !!!!!!!!! Mary Jane skunk smell wood be KILLER !!
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- August 25 2008 : 9:49a
| | In the end, it is a personal choice. Given all my experiences i could find flaws in any of the products. You will just have to take in all the info., field your local reps and see who will give you the best warrnty / service. In the end they all have pitfalls and strengths. I use SuperLiner due to my working knowledge of it and direct vendor access. You will find more support/feedback for Line-X and Rhino on the forums they are more main stream products. For some odd reason SuperLiner has never direct marketed thier products. | |
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- August 26 2008 : 11:36p
| Id find a way to put some sort of aftermarket sound dampening underneath the liner, unless you dont mind the extra noise from removing the carpet
and I have heard nobody can spray on carpet, over the stock dampening materials, etc..
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- August 27 2008 : 7:11a
| | We have tried spraying over carpet (in car trunks), but it looks like ASS and hold dirt and trash really bad. The open fibers of the carpet tield a open and uneven texture. | |
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- August 27 2008 : 9:23p
| yeah JJ had told me ya'll had tried it..
he also told me he wants to try spraying it over dynamat or something, and seeing if the dynamat will hold its rigidity
I hope it will, even if I end up being the guinea pig.. cuz I want both or something in my truck, like on the floorboard..
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- August 28 2008 : 3:34a
| Going to try the herc liner the add my carpet over it.
Just have to have carpet in the seat area :)
Then have the bed sprayed (bronco)
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- August 28 2008 : 7:08a
| Should be interesting to see how the two products react to each other. typicly the bedliner eats into the base poduct causing it to peel/lift.
The liner under the carpet is a good idea. (just make sure it is completely dry. otherwise the carpet will be permanently bonded to the floor board.) | |
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- August 28 2008 : 10:26a
| Lots of great advice, THANKS !
The pisser about carpet is the bloody PAD that holds water and rusts the floor while the carpet feels dry to the touch. So the idea having a water proof coating is a good idea IMOP. Most floors I have seen did have some rust starting.
My new toy was have its monthly wet pads, so out went the carpet,,,,,,,,,LOL
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- August 28 2008 : 10:47a
| | Pro - consider using a neoprene-based carpet. You know - the stuff that Bedrug's are made of. Another option would be indoor-outdoor carpeting. You can even hose that stuff off to clean it if you want to. | |
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- August 30 2008 : 4:37a
| your brilliant this time, but do they make indoor outdoor carpet that looks really nice in a truck?
I certainly dont want astroturf | |
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